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Post by Billyb on Sept 22, 2007 13:32:59 GMT
I wasn't exactly "Clash Bashing" was I? I also said that their first album is an absolute classic...
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Post by anabdab on Sept 22, 2007 20:53:38 GMT
I won`t stand for any of this "Clash Bashing" Joe was a great hero of mine and I`m sure that if he hadn`t died so young he`d still be alive today. The first proper electric guitar I bought was a Fender Telecaster because that`s what Joe and Wilko used. I assumed that if I had one I`d be as brilliant as them. It didn`t quite work out that way. Never mind.
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Post by filf on Oct 9, 2007 10:26:27 GMT
Must admit to doin a bit of clash bashing back in the day, but looking back now i have to agree with alaninoz. And yes, i have listened to Sandinista all the way through. It would make a killer single album. As already mentioned, from White Riot to Johnny Appleseed, the man never hid from anything or anyone, and died far too early. A true pioneer.
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Post by firestorm on Oct 9, 2007 12:05:24 GMT
I think The Clash, give em Enough Rope, inflammable material all go without saying as classics (i reckon Safe European home, English Civil War andTommy Gun make for the finest start to any album EVER) However I would like to add The Undertones (1st album), Declaration and Tonic for the troops into the debate
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Post by Billyb on Oct 10, 2007 22:29:03 GMT
One Chord Wonders was also a classic! T V Smith is still going strong I believe with his own cult follwing, not that I've heard much of his stuff.. I have got some benefit compilation for a social centre in Nottingham with him on it, can't remember much about the song, but at least he's still prepared to put his money where his mouth is... Oh dear, I think I might have just damned him with faint praise, which isn't what I set out to do at all... I went to see the Toy Dolls play at the Islington Academy a couple of weeks ago - T V Smith was the support and he was really good! He also came on stage with Toy Dolls for a rendition of One Chord Wonders and it was blinding! As for being a "Clash Basher" - I'm actually a fan - I just don't get on with Sandinista, that's all, I read the track list today- and the only track on it that I like is Washington Bullets...
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Post by alaninoz on Oct 11, 2007 7:48:43 GMT
I respect all your opinions as im sure they are genuine.As for sandinista add these to washington bullets and maybe give them another listen, Something about england, charlie dont surf, brand new cadillac, the leader,police on my back, one more time, rebel waltz, kingston advice and call up. Or maybe I'm just incredibly biased!
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Post by firestorm on Oct 11, 2007 8:05:10 GMT
>>As for being a "Clash Basher" - I'm actually a fan - I just don't get on with Sandinista, that's all, I read the track list today- and the only track on it that I like is Washington Bullets... <<
I have always thought Sandanista would make a great single Album.....However as I have never been able to "grow" along with the musical development of a number of Artists (I can't stand the Beatles from Sgt Pepper onwards, Queen Bohemian Rhapsody and beyond or anything Weller did after he left the Jam) I have always put that down to a limitation of myself as opposed to the musician/s
An old stick in the mud , thats me
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Post by Micvicdab on Oct 11, 2007 16:54:25 GMT
Wasn't Brand new cadillac on London calling?, and surely The magnificent seven deserves a place? otherwise agreed, Alaninoz!
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Post by Micvicdab on Oct 11, 2007 17:06:03 GMT
Sh*t......lost again!!....Does anyone know the way back to "Huh" from this thread??
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Post by Billyb on Oct 11, 2007 19:20:07 GMT
I wanna tell you a story -
In August 1986 - I went to see this Romford Punk band, called Poisoned by Alcohol, play at the Roundacre in Basildon. My mate Paul and I started chatting to this punk girl from Brentwood and one of the first things she said to us was- "do you like The Clash?" (she was a fan)
Paul (who had a big green mohican at the time; I'm helping you picture the scene) replied: "No! They're cr@p!" While I answered: "Well, I don't really like them that much; but I have got that album - Sandinista indoors..."
I ended up living with that girl - for the next twenty years - so I'll never deny that Sandinista made a big impact on my life!
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Post by Micvicdab on Oct 12, 2007 2:25:46 GMT
Us fikkos that couldn't tell the difference beetween a punk and a mod in 1977, had a bloody good time listening to the Jams first album. In the city I believe it was called, and a cracking lump of vinyl it was in my view. "art school" kicked it off rather nicely, then you had "away from the numbers"... "I've changed my address", "bricks and mortar"..."Non stop dancing".. and several other smashing tunes... somehow this doesn't count as "Punk"...Why??? I know the next album (this is the modern world) was a bit weak , but the one after that (All mod cons) surely belongs in anyones top ten? have you a problem with "Down in the tube station at midnight"... "A bomb in Wardour street"..."Billy hunt"..."David watts...A Kinks cover I know"...in the crowd... and so on and so forth... then we arrive at "Setting sons"..f**ki%g magnificent...."Eton rifles".. "Private hell"... Burning sky..."Wasteland"..."Thick as thieves"...(Possibly the greatest song ever wrote about meeting your old pals a la "Friends reunited")
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Post by Micvicdab on Oct 12, 2007 2:28:08 GMT
Sorry ...too hammered to continue, I blame Anabdab.
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Post by firestorm on Oct 12, 2007 8:18:47 GMT
Us fikkos that couldn't tell the difference beetween a punk and a mod in 1977, had a bloody good time listening to the Jams first album. In the city I believe it was called, and a cracking lump of vinyl it was in my view. "art school" kicked it off rather nicely, then you had "away from the numbers"... "I've changed my address", "bricks and mortar"..."Non stop dancing".. and several other smashing tunes... somehow this doesn't count as "Punk"...Why??? I know the next album (this is the modern world) was a bit weak , but the one after that (All mod cons) surely belongs in anyones top ten? have you a problem with "Down in the tube station at midnight"... "A bomb in Wardour street"..."Billy hunt"..."David watts...A Kinks cover I know"...in the crowd... and so on and so forth... then we arrive at "Setting sons"..f**ki%g magnificent...."Eton rifles".. "Private hell"... Burning sky..."Wasteland"..."Thick as thieves"...(Possibly the greatest song ever wrote about meeting your old pals a la "Friends reunited") Goody Goody Someone has mentioned the Jam..... Modern world was not as good but the remainder of their 1st 4 were really good. True not Hardcore punk, but still raw with a statement to make (which what it was about to me) I thought the Chords took that on as well , but by then it was well and truly "Mod". God Bless the Starjets is a good album too..............
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Post by filf on Oct 12, 2007 12:11:51 GMT
The Jam may well have been labled a Mod Band but i still associate them with the punk scene as a whole. They were instumental in forcing the change that we so badly needed. I dont think it matters what sort of band we labled them as they produced some kick-ass songs. Billy Hunt and Tube station were amazing tunes, and so were so many others. Punk was about being different and writting songs with a message. I think The Jam acheived this in everyones eyes.
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Post by filf on Oct 12, 2007 12:20:54 GMT
Its kinda strange that bands like The Exploited and Sham 69 were excepted as Punk bands but were skinhead bands. We got beat the crap out of at every gig for being punks, yet we still accepted them. Go to a Jam gig and there was no problem, yet they were "not punk". "Hersham boys, lace-up boots and cordoroys" sham69 "They smelt of pubs and wormwood scubs and to many right-wing metings" The Jam Songs with meaning...mmmmmm
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